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Best male 100m sprinter to never win World or Olympic gold?

Andre Cason
0
No votes
Ato Boldon
2
10%
Bruny Surin
2
10%
Calvin Smith
6
30%
Francis Obikwelu
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No votes
Frankie Fredericks
8
40%
Leroy Burrell
2
10%
 
Total votes : 20

Best male 100m sprinter to never win World or Olympic gold.

Postby DexterDanner » Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:29 am

To be considered in the poll, the sprinters had to be retired, have a personal best that is sub-10 seconds, and won silver at either the World or Olympic Championships. There are only 8 male sprinters that meet these criteria. So if these 8 sprinters were in their prime and lined up on an 8-lane track, try to decide who would come out on top.
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Postby DexterDanner » Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:32 am

gh please delete this one!!! it doesn't include Raymond Stewart!!!

Please ignore this poll and this thread
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Postby DexterDanner » Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:39 am

Don't use this poll!!!! Use the other one![/b]
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Postby Texas » Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:59 am

Sorry I can't play by the rules.

Eulace Peacock
Stanley Floyd
Hal Davis
Steve Williams
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Postby tandfman » Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:01 am

John Carlos should be on the list, too.
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Postby DexterDanner » Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:04 am

Stop using this thread, go use the other one that's got the exact same name.

Can an adminstator please delete this thread
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Postby bambam » Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:07 pm

Texas wrote:Sorry I can't play by the rules.

Eulace Peacock
Stanley Floyd
Hal Davis
Steve Williams


Since the 70s I thought the two best sprinters who never quite could make it in terms of major titles were Steve Williams and James Sanford.

But Peacock and Davis are excellent choices, omitting DexterDanner's rules. Not quite as sure about Floyd.
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Postby paulthefan » Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:19 pm

bambam wrote:
Texas wrote:Sorry I can't play by the rules.

Eulace Peacock
Stanley Floyd
Hal Davis
Steve Williams


Since the 70s I thought the two best sprinters who never quite could make it in terms of major titles were Steve Williams and James Sanford.

But Peacock and Davis are excellent choices, omitting DexterDanner's rules. Not quite as sure about Floyd.


Id place Floyd (and Davis) ahead of Williams (and Peacock) and that is saying alot. Williams injured himself. Floyd like Davis was ready to go in 80 and would have had a very good shot at gold. This is not to say that Floyd or Davis were superior to Williams or Peacock, only that they had a better chance at gold. Injuries are part of the sport.
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Postby eldrick » Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:35 pm

DexterDanner wrote:gh please delete this one!!! it doesn't include Raymond Stewart!!!

Please ignore this poll and this thread


don't worry about it

i doubt anyone but ray stewart's mom feels he belongs in this poll
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Postby paulthefan » Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:49 am

eldrick wrote:
don't worry about it

i doubt anyone but ray stewart's mom feels he belongs in this poll


The incomparable Eldrick.
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Best of Rest

Postby bijanc » Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:02 pm

Steve Williams
Linford Christie
Ralph Metcalfe
Charlie Greene
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Re: Best of Rest

Postby paulthefan » Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:11 pm

bijanc wrote:Steve Williams
Linford Christie
Ralph Metcalfe
Charlie Greene


Not quite: Williams really does not belong as he won a world cup race in 77 (the late 70s equivalent of a WC). Christie was an OG gold medalist, so he likewise does not belong.
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Re: Best of Rest

Postby tandfman » Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:17 pm

paulthefan wrote:
bijanc wrote:Steve Williams
Linford Christie
Ralph Metcalfe
Charlie Greene

Not quite: Williams really does not belong as he won a world cup race in 77 (the late 70s equivalent of a WC). Christie was an OG gold medalist, so he likewise does not belong.

Christie was both an OG and a WCh gold medalist.
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Postby Mighty Favog » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:20 am

We need to go further back. Howard Drew needs to be mentioned.
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Re: Best of Rest

Postby gh » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:29 am

paulthefan wrote:
bijanc wrote:Steve Williams
Linford Christie
Ralph Metcalfe
Charlie Greene


Not quite: Williams really does not belong as he won a world cup race in 77 (the late 70s equivalent of a WC). Christie was an OG gold medalist, so he likewise does not belong.


World Cup wasn't remotely the equivalent of a WC, limited as it was to just 8 runners, and never two from one country.

Williams didn't even win the AAU in '77; Don Quarrie did and he didn't run at the Cup.
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Postby eldrick » Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:12 pm

but gh, it was inaugural ever one & had fantastic anticipation & in distance running it was like the "revenge" olympics for the africans

also, williams won in 10.13 which was a damn good time for that era - maybe he aimed to peak for it ( i doubt quarrie ran 10.13 when beating him in ncaa as you informed us )

( funny part reading results for that meet - they picked a f***ing ethiopian to run the 3ksc for african team there ( they are crap at it ) !!! - they coudn't find a kenyan ??? )
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Re: Best of Rest

Postby paulthefan » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:47 pm

gh wrote:
paulthefan wrote:Not quite: Williams really does not belong as he won a world cup race in 77 (the late 70s equivalent of a WC)..


World Cup wasn't remotely the equivalent of a WC, limited as it was to just 8 runners, and never two from one country.

Williams didn't even win the AAU in '77; Don Quarrie did and he didn't run at the Cup.


I would place a 77Wcup win as the career equivalent of an 83 WC win. But this is subjective.

I forget, how was it that Quarrie did not get invited to the WCup. Did Leonard get the nod and why/how?.
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Postby REngelhardt » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:10 pm

Chidi Imoh (Nigeria / Missouri) ALMOST qualifies for consideration with his 10.00 PR and silver medals in '91 Indoor WC 60m and '92 Bacelona 4x100.

Could anyone verify/clarify the "rumor" that Imoh currently is a US college track coach? If so, at which school? I appreciate any help with this. (I competed in the Big 8 Conference in the early 80's while Imoh was at Missouri).
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Re: Best of Rest

Postby tandfman » Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:57 am

paulthefan wrote:I forget, how was it that Quarrie did not get invited to the WCup. Did Leonard get the nod and why/how?.

It wasn't a matter of being invited. There was a trials meet and Leonard won the 100 and the 200. Quarrie was second in the 200--I don't think he ran the 100.
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Re: Best of Rest

Postby paulthefan » Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:30 pm

paulthefan wrote: I would place a 77Wcup win as the career equivalent of an 83 WC win. But this is subjective.


tandfman wrote:
paulthefan wrote:I forget, how was it that Quarrie did not get invited to the WCup. Did Leonard get the nod and why/how?.

It wasn't a matter of being invited. There was a trials meet and Leonard won the 100 and the 200. Quarrie was second in the 200--I don't think he ran the 100.


I guess that settles it, we should give Williams his due


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Postby tandfman » Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:32 pm

Williams, at his best, was awfully good. I still think Carlos, at his best, was better.
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Postby paulthefan » Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:55 pm

Dave Sime should be considered, .... but how many hyperbolic hagiographic errors can you find in this whopper:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sime
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Postby berkeley » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:50 pm

paulthefan wrote:Dave Sime should be considered, .... but how many hyperbolic hagiographic errors can you find in this whopper:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sime


Wow! Does Sime still hold the World Records in the 100, 220 and 440 today ? If so, he must hold the World Record for setting World Records on the same day, never ever having raced before, ever in his entire life!
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Postby paulthefan » Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:47 pm

Barney Ewell belongs on the list ahead of almost all of the names above. Picked up a silver in '48 at a quite advanced age for a sprinter in that era.... Id say in 44 he is the favorite, Davis gets Silver.
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