1500m world leader suspended for doping! get involved

[jumplove]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/o ... ping.0151/


Liliana Popescu the world leader in the 1500m has been suspended only from the Romanian Olympic Team, and it seems that a IAAF decision is pending. She is the second runner cought un drugs from Romania just this month, after Corina Dumbreavenu 1500m euroepan indoor silver medal.

http://www.prosport.ro/alte-sporturi/at ... ta-2696065

These 2 gals have a lot of things in common.
They are both blaming local hospitals for administering them this substances by mistake.
They are both managed by the same manager Silviu Hodos and his wife, Carmen- a couple that was arrested in France few years ago for possession of illegal doping substances

http://www.times-olympics.co.uk/archive ... ss27a.html

Yet the IAAF and the French and Romanian federation seems that let this couple continue their circus. This manager had until now over 30 athletes that have been suspended because of doping violations, Mihaela Melinte ex world hammer record holder among them.

What is IAAF doing????Do they really care to get rid of managers who have a correlation between doping cases and the athletes they represent?????

[pauluk63]

So annoying when the world number one in any event is revelaed as a cheat, nice one Popescu!!

And i believe that coaches should be held liable as well and recieve some form of punishment, i would also suggest that anyone coached by them is monitored carefully esp if they have a history of cheating athletes!!! I dunno though, easier said than done!

[jumplove]

Paul, the 3 romanian girls in the top10 of the 1500m lists are all coached by the same coach!, and managed by the same IAAF recognized agent!!! All of them with an AMAZING progress!
You decide, are they the best in the world or not?

The sad part, is that local federations and even the IAAF, do not start investigations in cases as this one where same team of manager/coach have so many cases of doped athletes every year.
I have honestly lost track of how many athletes managed by Silviu and Carmen Hodos have been suspended on doping offences.

[lexvid]

I say it's reasonable to cast suspicion and doubt on any group with 3-4 athletes who test positive. The coach should be banned for 4 years or life. That being said, it's nice to see cheats being caught

[nevetsllim]

I was actually wondering what happened to Dumbravean last night. If I was Helen Clitheroe, I'd be feeling really pissed off because the silver and bronze medallists from the 2005 European Indoors have tested positive and the winner was Elena Iagar, who has made a surprising return to form

Looks like Romania's medal hopes in the women's side will be left to old lady Grasu again.

[Matt]

I'm shocked....NOT

Runners making huge improvements are generally on drugs - ergo Ayhan - but I was shot down the last time I dared to suggest as much!

[Dave]

Seems like the athletes would have known about this before signing up with the coach. Perhaps not but in this day and age, this seems to be hard to miss for someone at that level.

[jumplove]

By all means not all Romanians or all the athletes managed by this controversial manager are on drugs.

What shocks me the most is how certain individuals with a history of getting caught are still let free by the international federation to continue the charade.

This is the point where I am asking myself and other fans what can we do?????

Close our eyes and mouths?

For god sake this manager Silviu Hodos not only has been arrested himself for possession of illegal substances but more than 50% of his athletes he represents have been suspended at one point or another.

[AthleticsInBritain]

Yep - just like Trevor Graham who, at 6 or 7 athletes banned (was it 11 or 13 at the last count) still hadn't been disciplined. There really has to be a process for national bodies and, if necessary the IAAF, to step in and say enough's enough and bar these people from the sport.

It's not impossible for an athlete to dope without a coach's knowledge but the odds against the coach knowing are very slim.

Managers/agents are harder to prove, but should also face similar sanctions if they have a lot of athletes test positive.

[ponytayne]

Actually, Trevor Graham was banned from all US Olympic Training centers facilities well before he was indicted of anything formally. The USOC and USATF were sick of/scared of what was about to come snowballing out of that camp, so they acted proactively. Now, the IAAF may not have done anything about it, but our own governing body did do something about it, however slim.

[odelltrclan]

I'm shocked....NOT

Runners making huge improvements are generally on drugs - ergo Ayhan - but I was shot down the last time I dared to suggest as much!

Can anyone in track being busted for drugs surprise anyone? We can point the fingers at other countries but it is equally bad or worse here. I always believed Marion Jones was on dope when she was at her peak and still believe Flo Jo juiced it up to the max in 1988 as well. Who can doubt the chinese distance runners of the 1990's were not juiced and we have to live with those records now forever it seems.

[jumplove]

The real Problem in my opinion, is that athletes are given too many opportunities and clear roads to cheat.
Too little is done by the IAAF and local federations to get rid of the doping sharks.
Doping controls are a joke.
Why IAAF is not making an official published lists with all doped athletes found in the past 15 years- their coach and their manager at that time???

[GeorgiaFan1]

Having watched high school athletes when my kid was in high school, I disagree that most athletes who make strong improvements are on drugs. I was always surprised when I watched athletes up close how many stars did very little training and how, if they trained normally, some stars would become superstars. The other thing that surprised me is how many became injured if they just tried to do what would be considered normal training. I have come to the conclusion that being able to train well is as much a gift as being able to run fast.

[osko2000]

But you know what? When you've already been part of a major program - with good training - and then a major improvement, you're probably taking something. What's going on now is not high school. So, your observation is likely dead on for high school - but not for the athletes referred to on this board. You ran 13.50's in college - now you're consistently running 12.9's - c'mon now! You ran 13.30's in college - now you run 12.60's? You ran 11.50 in college - now you're breaking 11?

Anybody who knows anything about track knows one thing for sure - improvement and even breakthroughs are part of a gradual progression that one can easily see. There are no anomaly's.

[26mi235]

But you know what? When you've already been part of a major program - with good training - and then a major improvement, you're probably taking something. What's going on now is not high school. So, your observation is likely dead on for high school - but not for the athletes referred to on this board. You ran 13.50's in college - now you're consistently running 12.9's - c'mon now! You ran 13.30's in college - now you run 12.60's? You ran 11.50 in college - now you're breaking 11?

Anybody who knows anything about track knows one thing for sure - improvement and even breakthroughs are part of a gradual progression that one can easily see. There are no anomaly's.

8.90; there are hundreds of other examples.

[jumplove]

Osko, I don t necessarily agree that explosion in somebody perf. has something to do with doping.

I ve seen with my own eyes athletes just dropping huge performances out of nowhere. Especially in jumps, throws and short sprints. Humans can have that body modification naturally, without drugs.
Most of successful jumpers improved big chunks of distances without a gradual progressive nature.
I am not a specialist in distance events......
But coming back to the point I was making, people know what a certain group does,/ As Marion Jones joined dirty training groups, that everybody knew what they are about.
It is obvious when a group has already few members found positive.....especially when certain groups have double digits in doping cases
That is the problem! that nobody is doing nothing to prevent from an early stage, and athletes are seeing the non-action as an encouragement and the only way to success is joining that group.

[osko2000]

Agreed. But what I mean about improvements is - there is usually a foundation for the jump. For example - 110 hurdles - to run 12.9, there has to be a foundation of flat speed (maybe 10.2, 20.6). So, maybe a guy like Willie Gault runs 14.07 (as he did in '80) but his 10.1 lays the foundation for his later improvement in the hurdles.

Maybe some of todays hurdlers didn't improve as hurdlers until later - but there should be a foundation of speed that we could have seen prior - that would suggest the 12.9 or 13 flats in later years - maybe a fast relay leg, or a conference sprint title.

But to come out of relative nowhere (13.60's) with no indication of blinding foot speed, and start running 12.9's consistently is subject to question. By using the hurdles as an example, I am by no means suggesting a problem with any specific hurdler. I simply feel the hurdles are a good event to use to make my point.

[carfu]

The trial of Carmen Hodos and her husband Silviu took place this Friday in Paris, 8 years after they were arrested for possession of illegal doping substances.

Carmen Hodos was sentenced to 12 months' imprisonment (9 months of which were suspended) while her husband was sentenced to 9 months suspended. Carmen Hodos won't go back to jail as her sentence covers her preventive detention.

They will also have to pay the legal bills of the French federation, which was the plaintiff in the case.

[Mennisco]

it's nice to see cheats being caught

Sure beats watching them run.

[jumplove]

Yes BUT
Still,
Silviu Hodos and his Son are still IAAF and Romanian Federation acredited official managers for track and field athletes.
Still,
Silviu Hodos is "managing" half of the Romanian track and Field team.

My question is, shouldn t IAAF lift up his acreditation and ban him from track and field stadiums????? How is it possible for IAAF to let this guy be one of their own????
Shame on you IAAF.
IAAF fight against doping = a huge lie......

[rasb]

Perhaps you are missing the point that Romanian women, particularly distance runners, have been proven to be a "superior species" many times over the last 25 years or so.

[jumplove]

We are not missing any point, because we were not accusing other runners than the one getting caught.
And I was definitely not blaming on the athletes but on the system that allows condemned doping frauds to work in athletics.

http://www.iaaf.org/mm/Document/Athlete ... 8_5993.pdf

Go to Letter H = Hodos Silvio Andre

and then read the news where him and hid wife were condemned in France for administering and trafficking illegal doping substances. This process went for 8 years, time in which another about 20+ more of the athletes him and his wife "managed and coached" have been suspended for doping offences.

http://www.lequipe.fr/Athletisme/breves ... e_Dev.html


And it still goes on......