1. Bernard Lagat (US)
2. Bilal Mansour Ali (Bahrain)
3. Alan Webb (US)
4. Ivan Heshko (Ukraine)
5. Tarek Boukensa (Algeria)
6. Shadrack Korir (Kenya)
7. Daniel K. Komen (Kenya)
9. Mehdi Baala (France)
8. Youssef Baba (Morocco)
10. Rashid Ramzi (Bahrain)
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I see Lagat is listed 7th in the 5000 also. Does he really plan to pursue both events with equal rigor? Is Webb completely better from his 'slight' injury problem?
tafnut wrote:I see Lagat is listed 7th in the 5000 also. Does he really plan to pursue both events with equal rigor? Is Webb completely better from his 'slight' injury problem?
I believe the 5000m. follows the 1500m. which shouldn't affect Lagat in the 15. Considering all the sharks in the 5, Lagat should reconsider doubling.
If Webb and Lagat (and Manzano) work together a 1-2 finish is even a possibility. I would favor Webb, as seasonal trends usually continue (or are accentuated) at Championships.
Maybe they don't in this case, but generally speaking I disagree. They get it wrong very often when they are in unfamiliary territory, and T&F is just that for them. I still smiling when I remembered 2003 World T&F championship, one bookie offered 69/1 (+6900) for "pole vault - gold all others" and 16/1 (+1600) for "pole vault - all others top 3". Of course, Gibilisco was in "all others" Recent example? Some ten-fifteen days ago Pinnacle offer(ed) h2h duel Bolt-Spearmon (200m), they opened with 1/4 (-400) on Bolt and 17/5 (+340) on Spearmon (LOL). Three days after the odds were 3/5 (-167) on Spearmon and 7/5 (+140) on Bolt in that duel. That probably isn't realistic either, but I don't care anymore, surebet is here 8). I have many similar examples, they get it wrong, you only must be quick and awake...
those are low-level bookies & with that "calibre" you are not even guaranteed to get your stake back, let alone your winnings
it's not a surprise that the "big" bookies only open up a book a few days before osaka - they've done all their research beforehand & only open up with "sensible" odds, which aren't going to vary much with weight of money - with them you get everything you win, back
eldrick wrote:those are low-level bookies & with that "calibre" you are not even guaranteed to get your stake back, let alone your winnings
Never happened that I didn't get my winnings, I work only with A and B+ bookies. Of course, WillHill is "A" bookie, but I mentioned only Pinnacle by name, they surely aren't low-level, their rating is "A+".
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/Ratings ... fault.aspx (not allowed for US citizens).
But you're right, big bookies are careful and they do researches and in the end, they will not lose money. I only want to say that bookies are making mistakes, particularly with T&F odds - much, much more mistakes than in football (soccer) for example.
britain is gambling birthplace of western civilisation & only names i'd consider going to place a bet on are :
ladbrokes
william hill
coral
stan james
betfred
paddypower
of all those, william hill is the one who is closest to being a "sportsman" - i e a guy you coud make a bet with in the pub - they "take on" favorites & offer good odds at start-up
Bookies have to respond to betting patterns. I don't think the average bettor (or even line-setter) on athletics has a really good understanding of the dynamics of a major championship. I wouldn't put much credence on these lines. If I were in GB, I would be sore pressed not to drop a couple quid here and there like Jon.
gh wrote:many-levels-removed RUMOR in pub last night is that Lagat is nicked up; absolutely no idea what kind of credence to give it.
Maybe its one of those tin-can telephone around the room things and he is actually knocked up . . .
(I have no idea what that means.)
I dont either and im insane. If Webb gets gold he will deserve of course it but it is quite a list of 1500 studs who may either be not at their best or not in attendance. Lagat- El G, Ramzi and Kaouch. Did i miss anyone?
I thought nicked up means he cut himself shaving. If he steps to the starting line with a couple dozen bandaids on his face, we'll know the answer.
If it's actually knocked up, well, what can one say? Except that we always hear that coming back after being knocked up results in a much stronger athlete than before. Maybe it's a strategy thing to get ready for Beijing next year.
Randy Treadway wrote:I thought nicked up means he cut himself shaving. If he steps to the starting line with a couple dozen bandaids on his face, we'll know the answer.
If it's actually knocked up, well, what can one say? Except that we always hear that coming back after being knocked up results in a much stronger athlete than before. Maybe it's a strategy thing to get ready for Beijing next year.
As John Cleese would say, " You cant have a baby! You dont have a woommmbbb?!
Nicked up= running injury he may be able to cope with
Go Webb!!!
