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New phenom sprinter in the making
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New phenom sprinter in the making
At a meet yesterday at San Antonio's East Central High School, sophomore Rynell Parson clocked a hand timed 9.99 (wind aided). He has already clocked a 10.05-hand timed this year. I realize his time is hand timed and wind aided but this early in the year is still amazing for a sophomore. I heard he wants to give next year's Olympics a shot. Would suggest that TAFNEWS get here and interview this young lad.
Re: New phenom sprinter in the making
hand time and wind aided. was it also downhill?
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Right in line with his LEGITIMATE, AUTO 10.43 from last summer. Fastest frosh in the country, but well down the overall HS list.
He's good, but let's hold off on 2008 Olympic team talk. He'd be lucky just to make the finals of JUNIOR Nationals right now.
Having attended meets 60 miles north of SA the past two weekends...two weeks ago there were gusts of over 25 MPH in Buda and yesterday in Lockhart there was were 20 MPH winds. Probably a legit 10.8 runner with FAT and a legal wind.
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We have this sort of result virtually every week in Florida also. Rarely do we get someone under 10.40 FAT, which WOULD get my attention.
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Like I said, once you convert the hand-time, you get somewhere between 10.24 and 10.30, then depending on the wind probably another 2 to 3 tenths is fair. Voila! We have somewhere between 10.4 and 10.6 auto, which is just what you might expect from a sophomore with a legal PR of 10.43. Good, but not quite what would make the Mountain View Boyz scramble down the coast.
Any of you Texas guys aware of how legit Troy Woolfolk's 100 of last week might have been?
He ran 10.28(I'm assuming this was a h.t.) at Madison. I'm not sure but I've heard it was fairly windy around Houston last weekend.
14 years old and running FAT 10.43... that would be very rare... I can remember a seeing a 6'1" 130lb 14 year old running an 11.3 and it was shock and awe... he had what it took physically to go a long way... . but the kid droped out of sports altogether.
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Timing looks shaky. Some are listed to the hundredths, others to the tenths. http://www.texastrack.com/Track%202007/ ... relays.htm Texas does not have it on thier State list this week. http://www.texastrack.com/Track%202007/07_hs_top_10.htm
Welcome to the boards, Rynell. Hand-timed and wind-aided this time, but definitely a legit talent. He/you ran 6.73 or faster indoors for 60m, so no doubt about his/your ability.
Nobody here is busting on him. He is indeed very talented. It's RAP who started this by touting windy hand-times as Olympic material for next year. Oh wait! RAP, Rynell Parsons? Same town? 
I can recall a certain young texan with dominant times some decades ago, and everyone chuckled and chalked it up to the praire winds.. well a few months later he was the NCAA champion and went on to get a handful of olympic gold medals.. 2008 may be too soon but if this fellow has the character and discipline and mental toughness to make the tough choices he has more than enough ability to be a champion.
OK, before we get out of hand here, let’s get a few things straight:
The wind and hand time is crap and throw it out the door and forget about it. Total nonsense to even bring it up. That said, his freshman 10.43 (all-time freshman best: 10.35) makes him the eleventh best performer last year and the third fastest returning HS athlete this year, behind one senior and one junior. He is indeed very, very fast. But before we put him on any Oly team, here are the class record holders: F – Jamar Irvin So – Ivory Williams So – William Reed J – Willie Hordge Se – J-Mee Samuels No Oly medals there that I remember. So kick back, watch Mr. Parsons develop, and enjoy the show.
Excellent advice! Goes for many of the phenoms who get over-hyped too early. That kind of pressure/scrutiny can be VERY counter-productive. Goes all the way up to the Kleches and Hasays (whom bad hammy reports on, but does a good job of not trying to hype too much)
Yeah, I noticed that last week as well-some times to the hundredth and others to the tenth. Pretty sloppy, but typical non-uniform way of reporting meet results and then no indication of timing procedures, etc.. Thanks for the help regarding the state list.
RAP -- An important point has been made here. The performance that you reported is NOT amazing. It's almost meaningless, and to the extent it has any meaning, it's not a big deal. There's another important point that has not yet been made, so I shall. If this young man is thinking about next year's Olympics, he's delusional. Given the career paths of our top sprinters in recent years, it would be optimistic for him to be thinking about the 2012 Olympics. Assuming he stays with it, he'll more likely be at his best around the time of the 2015 World Championships and the 2016 Olympics. There is nothing wrong with thinking big. Nobody ever made it to the Olympics who did not first work hard to do it and believe he could do it. But setting out to do it too soon--before one's physical maturity--will almost certainly lead to disappointment. And with that kind of disappointment often comes frustration and an abandonment of the goal. So my advice, in a word, is patience. (And don't forget the hard work--this will not be easy.)
You nailed it tandfman. Most of the top sprinters have their best years between the ages of 24 and 30. I think it probably has more to do with physical maturity than anything else. However, if this kid were a promising young distance runner, the 2008 Olympics wouldn't be out of the question.
Guru:
You're such a killjoy! 
Quit trying to discuss things logically...some errant javelin may find its way towards your direction someday with more talk like this
Kurt
Looking at the IAAF lists if the 10.43 from last year was legit then the kid still has another year to aim at Darrel Brown's world youth best of 10.24, and we know Brown went to a global championships and came away with a world junior record (10.01) and a silver medal before his nineteenth birthday - although times were slow in that final owing to Gatlin being injured at US trials and Powell getting lost in the Jon Drummond false start farrago: [their rivalry should have begun in Paris, we just didn't know it back then.] Similarly we recently saw a seventeen year old Usain Bolt break twenty seconds (19.93). So it's a bit harsh to say setting heights that high is delusional, although such a trajectory would be highly unlikely. The US is more competitive than the Caribbean nations so qualifying for a team would be much harder, even if a youngster did somehow reach that level, although remember that Walter Dix was only one place away from doing just that the season he set the current US junior record of 10.06, so it isn't impossible. Steve Lewis running 43.87 and winning an Olympic gold medal ahead of Butch Reynolds tells you crazy things can occasionally happen. Also recall the Mark Lewis Francis fiasco when he should have gone to the Sydney Olympics as a teenager but decided not to, only to never return to the rich form he saw in 2000-2001. The lesson being that it's delusional to focus on the far away future instead of the here and now.
But in the here and now you have to deal with cold realities. The wind and the timing mean the mark is bogus as hell, so the thing to do would be to try and run as close as possible to 10.2 or 20.2 or 45.2 in a legit race, with fully automatic timing and a legal wind reading, and then take stock of the options. Anything short of that and going to the Olympics as early as 2008 is pure fantasy.
The only meets in Texas I would consider having valid timing would be the Tx Relays, State Meet, and other university meets with HS divisions. At a regular HS meet, you're very lucky if coaches are doing the handtiming, usually it's parents or teachers that volunteered.
We've had this discussion before but it cannot be overemphasized how bogus MANY HS marks are. I've seen HJ/PV bars on the wrong pegs, I've seen TJ marks measured from the wrong board, I've seen LJs measured from the front foot mark in the sand. I've seen 100m hand-times .5 off and reported as FAT. I've seen discus officials GUESS where the disc hit. It's pretty gross stuff. Very few HS officials even know the rules. Last Saturday, I had someone argue with me for 5 minutes that because her jumper got off the PV mat before the bar fell, it was a legal jump. It's all good fun, but there's very little standardization going on. Luckily most good marks come in championship meets where there IS competent officiating.
Now I'm a sprint/hurdle/horizontal jump guy. Never really pay much attention to the intricacies of the verts. But what is the official time frame for a bar to stay up after a jump? Or is it all up to the subjectiveness of the official(which is what I believe it is, but certainly could be wrong)?
1. I only wrote what I had seen/heard/read.
2. "I' did not state that he would make it to the 2008 Olympics. 3. If the kid wants to dream and set extremely high standards for himself, so be it. 4. If his time (hand timed/wind aided) is so common place, please send me a list of the thousands of high schoolers who have done the same(9.9). I missed reading about them. 5. I just want to keep track of him down the road and thought you would like a "keep and eye out for" note. 6. I graduated from Overbrook in 1958 and might be able to run a 29.9 hand timed, wind aided, and definitely down hill.
If the athlete causes the bar to fall, no time frame indicated, it's a miss. If the official determines that the wind caused the bar to fall, after the athlete 'successfully' negotiated it, it's a make. Generally speaking, when the bar has stopped quivering, the call can be made.
There have been 'many' (define as you wish) VERY fast times initially reported, but most of them never make it to the national public's attention for the very reasons that have been enumerated here.
And RAP, no one is doubting how fast Rynell is. The 10.43 at the AAU Juniors Oly meet (.08 off the freshman class record) and his 21.05 at the same meet (.06 off the class record) last year were great. So far this year he has tied the sophomore 60m record at 6.73 (in a heat, since broken by Jeremy Rankin) and has taken ownership of the sophomore indoor 200 record with his 21.62. This is great stuff and he is definitely someone with tons of talent that we’ll keep our eye on (particularly since you brought him to our attention and we are all now dissecting his future for him).
There is however, as you can now tell, great skepticism around here about hand times, wind times, high school non-championship times and Texas times, that’s all. As we’ve all said or heard on the track or ballfields or play grounds, get that weak-assed s**t out of here!  
After a cursory glance at the list of dodgy 100 times, I found seventeen year old Michael Taylor's 9.8 from 1983 in Shreveport, eighteen year old Amar Johnson's 9.9 from 1998 in Dallas, and sixteen year old Travis Grant's 9.9 from 1999 in Emporia.
Thanks for info.
Henry Neal had a 9.9 & (i think) a 19.9 at the Texas State Meet in '90. I remember the stands going wild when the times flashed up on the scoreboard. This was back when Texas was still a FAT-denier and used stopwatches for all records. I'm sure there are hundreds of people who still believe they saw a high schooler break the 100m WR that day.
what is his height, weight and exact birthday... is he a "true" sophmore... if the lad is just a colt then with a good head on his shoulders he is headed for greatness...
Guru:
There is no time limit for getting on or off of the mats. This is an OLD misconception on the part of vaulters and high jumpers. The event judge is the SOLE determiner of whether a miss or make happens in the vertical jumps. If he/she determines that the bar came off AT ANY TIME as a result of the jumper's body coming in contact with the bar, then it should be declared a miss. Getting off of the mats in any particular time frame is of no consequence...AT ALL. Just ask our friend Mr. Miles...he has officiated many high jump competitions. Kurt
I remember Aussie HJer Tim Forsyth having some big time dramas interpreting that rule at a major champs in the 1990s. Called the event judge numerous colourful names...
Don't know all the details, but here's a visual. Lotsa quickness, past and present, in that photo. http://www.dyestat.com/?pg=reg3CarlLewisInvitational Many of his high school performances listed here: http://dyestat.com/rankings_dyestat_uni ... 2=&x=0&y=0
He certainly doesn't look very tall...
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Fast hand-times cause many a young sprinter plenty of anxiety when she gets to college.
Some parent thinks they're doing the athlete a favor by giving her some record time, a time they cannot (and will never) run. The rest fo their career is compared to that mark, and they never live up to it. We had a women who came in with a 14.2 100m hurdle time and did not break 15 for two years. it drove her nuts. She came to terms with it and ran a 14-mid while winning a NCAA gold in the hept.
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I've run into the same problem(h.s. level) with one coach telling a kid that they ran some unbelievable time(hand timed by the parent who either wanted to see them do well or did not know how to time). I would then have to go to the kid after the other coach had told them of their recent world record and bring them back to reality. It might have bruised their ego at the moment but was better for them in the long run considering they would likely never approach the unrealistic, inaccurate mark.
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