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TrackCEO
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 Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:30 am Post subject: Silver medalist at World Masters meet gets 2-year doping ban |
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Finnish media reported a 2-year doping ban for Finland's Pekka Viippo, who took silver in the M45 shot put at the World Masters Athletics Championships this summer in Lahti, Finland.
Pekka gave an audio interview with a Finnish press outlet, but I can't understand a word he says.
Anyone up to translate the highlights?
My report:
http://masterstrack.com/blog/006020.html
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lapsus
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:50 am Post subject: Re: Silver medalist at World Masters meet gets 2-year doping |
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| TrackCEO wrote: | Finnish media reported a 2-year doping ban for Finland's Pekka Viippo, who took silver in the M45 shot put at the World Masters Athletics Championships this summer in Lahti, Finland.
Pekka gave an audio interview with a Finnish press outlet, but I can't understand a word he says.
Anyone up to translate the highlights?
My report:
http://masterstrack.com/blog/006020.html
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What is it about Lahti and Finnish athletes?
I think the gist of the interview goes something like:
Viippo doesn't deny using doping. He's disappointed that he did what he did, says he used a doping substance to recover from injury. He was clean during his amateur boxing days but that of course his reputation is gone.
He has a doctor's receipt for one of the discovered substances (diuretic) - some kind of blood pressure medication. Other substances (testosterone?), well... |
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7-sided
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| This is a good reason for the IAAF to take a look at defunding and deligitimizing Veterans/Masters sports; weekend warriors, geezers and the like adding an unnecessary PED story to the "track and field" ledger. Could anyone imagine the NBA, NFL, MLB announcing a suspension of a "pick-up league/weekend" athlete? But, the Finnish federation actually has to police this? |
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Speedfirst
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| 7-sided wrote: | | This is a good reason for the IAAF to take a look at defunding and deligitimizing Veterans/Masters sports; weekend warriors, geezers and the like adding an unnecessary PED story to the "track and field" ledger. Could anyone imagine the NBA, NFL, MLB announcing a suspension of a "pick-up league/weekend" athlete? But, the Finnish federation actually has to police this? |
Wow....talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water  |
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Marlow
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Silly, silly, silly. MANY older men take testosterone therapy, so they're all cheaters? Masters track? Really? There should be NOTHING that is illegal for the over-50 set. If a 55-year-old wants to pump himself full of roids (or whatever) for a MASTERS medal - GO for it!! 
I am a masters athlete and I want to live to a ripe(r) old age, but if others want to eff with their bodies for a MASTERS trophy, be my guest!
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TrackDaddy
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Silver medalist at World Masters meet gets 2-year doping |
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| lapsus wrote: | | He's disappointed that he did what he did, says he used a doping substance to recover from injury. |
I see he took a page out of Andy Petite's doping excuse book.
Doesn't seem to work as well in track though. |
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kuha
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| Marlow wrote: | | Silly, silly, silly. MANY older men take testosterone therapy, so they're all cheaters? Masters track? Really? There should be NOTHING that is illegal for the over-50 set. If a 55-year-old wants to pump himself full of roids (or whatever) for a MASTERS medal - GO for it! |
Absolutely. ANY time & money spent drug-testing Masters athletes is a complete waste. |
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Pego
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| kuha wrote: | | Marlow wrote: | | Silly, silly, silly. MANY older men take testosterone therapy, so they're all cheaters? Masters track? Really? There should be NOTHING that is illegal for the over-50 set. If a 55-year-old wants to pump himself full of roids (or whatever) for a MASTERS medal - GO for it! |
Absolutely. ANY time & money spent drug-testing Masters athletes is a complete waste. |
How absurd! When I saw the title of this thread, I expected an article from The ONION. |
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TrackDaddy
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Pego wrote: | | kuha wrote: | | Marlow wrote: | | Silly, silly, silly. MANY older men take testosterone therapy, so they're all cheaters? Masters track? Really? There should be NOTHING that is illegal for the over-50 set. If a 55-year-old wants to pump himself full of roids (or whatever) for a MASTERS medal - GO for it! |
Absolutely. ANY time & money spent drug-testing Masters athletes is a complete waste. |
How absurd! When I saw the title of this thread, I expected an article from The ONION. |
Well gentlemen, what if there is prize money involved?
Is it okay for a masters athlete to roid up then? |
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kuha
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I still wouldn't care a whit. Is there any prize money for Masters t&f athletes??!? I'd presume NO. |
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bad hammy
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Marlow wrote: | | There should be NOTHING that is illegal for the over-50 set. If a 55-year-old wants to pump himself full of roids (or whatever) for a MASTERS medal - GO for it!! |
Just like a bunch of drunken monkeys on typewriters will eventually pound out Shakespeare, Marlow occasionally says something that makes perfect sense . . . |
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Marlow
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| bad hammy wrote: | | Marlow occasionally says something that makes perfect sense . . . |
Wow - you AND Mark admitting I'm right on ANYTHING, within a couple of days of each other??!! Surely it is the End of Days!!!!!  |
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Pego
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| TrackDaddy wrote: | | Well gentlemen, what if there is prize money involved? |
This is an answerable question around here. Marlow is a Master world record holder. He should be able to confess to all his riches from the Master competition. |
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kuha
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Marlow wrote: | | bad hammy wrote: | | Marlow occasionally says something that makes perfect sense . . . |
Wow - you AND Mark admitting I'm right on ANYTHING, within a couple of days of each other??!! Surely it is the End of Days!!!!! |
Yup. 2012 is here and the sky is falling. |
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Marlow
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Pego wrote: | | Marlow is a Master world record holder. He should be able to confess to all his riches from the Master competition. |
**Blush** You forgot the 137 asterisks that goes with that WR!
I'm pretty sure there IS prize money for Masters road runners, but I've never heard of T&F prize money. I took my WR-bonus and couldn't even get a cuppa joe at Starbucks!  |
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TrackDaddy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| Marlow wrote: | | Pego wrote: | | Marlow is a Master world record holder. He should be able to confess to all his riches from the Master competition. |
I'm pretty sure there IS prize money for Masters road runners |
So you're saying it should be "legal" for Masters Road Runners over "age 50" to use steroids even though prize money and other considerations are involved?
And by agreeing with your position the others in this thread are saying the same thing. |
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Marlow
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| TrackDaddy wrote: | | Marlow wrote: | | Pego wrote: | | Marlow is a Master world record holder. He should be able to confess to all his riches from the Master competition. |
I'm pretty sure there IS prize money for Masters road runners |
So you're saying it should be "legal" for Masters Road Runners over "age 50" to use steroids even though prize money and other considerations are involved?
And by agreeing with your position the others in this thread are saying the same thing. |
The $$$ in masters road running is a pittance. To give up the real health benefits for the over-50 set for something like testosterone therapy is just silly. I can't believe one single masters runner would have a problem with an opponent on testosterone, which is a major PED. Similarly, anabolic steroids ARE prescribed, in smaller doses, for overcoming injury in the older set. Even EPO has its legit uses for the broken down nags among us geezers. This is NOT REAL SPORT, people. It is old people just trying to stay fit and having a little fun on the weekend. |
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Pego
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| TrackDaddy wrote: | | Marlow wrote: | | Pego wrote: | | Marlow is a Master world record holder. He should be able to confess to all his riches from the Master competition. |
I'm pretty sure there IS prize money for Masters road runners |
So you're saying it should be "legal" for Masters Road Runners over "age 50" to use steroids even though prize money and other considerations are involved?
And by agreeing with your position the others in this thread are saying the same thing. |
I'll repeat, IMHO drug testing for Masters is as absurd as suspending a 6-year old for sexual harassment after kissing a classmate on the cheek. |
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Daisy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| TrackDaddy wrote: | | So you're saying it should be "legal" for Masters Road Runners over "age 50" to use steroids even though prize money and other considerations are involved? |
My impression is that people are saying that it is pointless to waste resources testing masters athletes. Far better to expand the random testing in the open division. |
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TrackDaddy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| Marlow wrote: | | TrackDaddy wrote: | | Marlow wrote: | | Pego wrote: | | Marlow is a Master world record holder. He should be able to confess to all his riches from the Master competition. |
I'm pretty sure there IS prize money for Masters road runners |
So you're saying it should be "legal" for Masters Road Runners over "age 50" to use steroids even though prize money and other considerations are involved?
And by agreeing with your position the others in this thread are saying the same thing. |
The $$$ in masters road running is a pittance. To give up the real health benefits for the over-50 set for something like testosterone therapy is just silly. I can't believe one single masters runner would have a problem with an opponent on testosterone, which is a major PED. Similarly, anabolic steroids ARE prescribed, in smaller doses, for overcoming injury in the older set. Even EPO has its legit uses for the broken down nags among us geezers. This is NOT REAL SPORT, people. It is old people just trying to stay fit and having a little fun on the weekend. |
Eh...not real sport? Just old people trying to stay fit and have fun?
They why are they sanctioned and paying prize money?
http://www.world-masters-athletics.org/
http://www.world-masters-athletics.org/about-us |
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TrackDaddy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| Pego wrote: | | TrackDaddy wrote: | | Marlow wrote: | | Pego wrote: | | Marlow is a Master world record holder. He should be able to confess to all his riches from the Master competition. |
I'm pretty sure there IS prize money for Masters road runners |
So you're saying it should be "legal" for Masters Road Runners over "age 50" to use steroids even though prize money and other considerations are involved?
And by agreeing with your position the others in this thread are saying the same thing. |
I'll repeat, IMHO drug testing for Masters is as absurd as suspending a 6-year old for sexual harassment after kissing a classmate on the cheek. |
But Pego, when an event is sanctioned and people are competing for more than " a little fun" and some are using DRUGS, isnt that cheating?
What you're essentially saying is that you support doping in sports. |
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Daisy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| TrackDaddy wrote: | | They why are they sanctioned and paying prize money? |
May be there are some that enjoy it? Does that mean you need drug testing? The money argument is weak one. Our local egg toss and cake walk have prizes too.
| TrackDaddy wrote: | | What you're essentially saying is that you support doping in sports. |
That's a big leap. I think you'd be closer if you had said "essentially saying that masters sport is not important".
Are you just twisting these words as a prelude for yet another fight?
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TrackDaddy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| Daisy wrote: | | TrackDaddy wrote: | | So you're saying it should be "legal" for Masters Road Runners over "age 50" to use steroids even though prize money and other considerations are involved? |
My impression is that people are saying that it is pointless to waste resources testing masters athletes. Far better to expand the random testing in the open division. |
I could see that if there was no money involved and the event was meaningless.
But Marlow has acknowledged that prize money is involved which if nothing else "legitimizes" those events. |
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Daisy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| TrackDaddy wrote: | | But Marlow has acknowledged that prize money is involved which if nothing else "legitimizes" those events. |
No one is earning a living from it. |
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TrackDaddy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| Daisy wrote: | | TrackDaddy wrote: | | What you're essentially saying is that you support doping in sports. |
That's a big leap. I think you'd be closer if you had said "essentially saying that masters sport is not important".
Are you just twisting these words as a prelude for yet another fight? |
I think you're attacking me in an attempt to deflect for your friends.
Commendable, but desperate.
If Pego knows that money is involved in a sanctioned event and thinks its "absurd" to test the athletes then... |
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Daisy
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| TrackDaddy wrote: | | but desperate. |
AAHHhh the killer punch. |
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TrackDaddy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| Daisy wrote: | | TrackDaddy wrote: | | But Marlow has acknowledged that prize money is involved which if nothing else "legitimizes" those events. |
No one is earning a living from it. |
So, its okay to cheat them out of what they worked for?
Wow.
But then I'm just trying to start a fight. |
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Daisy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| TrackDaddy wrote: | | So, its okay to cheat them out of what they worked for? |
Don't you understand? There are not unlimited resources for drug testing. Which world do you live in that we should be wasting resources in chasing down masters athletes for cheating? To choose not to chase them is not a defacto argument for endorsing cheating. Your logic is warped.
| TrackDaddy wrote: | | But then I'm just trying to start a fight. |
That's what you do best.
With apologies to Tigger |
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TrackDaddy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| Daisy wrote: | | TrackDaddy wrote: | | So, its okay to cheat them out of what they worked for? |
Don't you understand? There are not unlimited resources for drug testing. Which world do you live in that we should be wasting resources in chasing down masters athletes for cheating? To choose not to chase them is not a defacto argument for endorsing cheating. Your logic is warped. |
My logic?
MY logic? 
The idea to "chase" Masters athletes for doping and punish them for it didn't originate with me. But it exists nonetheless.
I wonder why?
http://www.world-masters-athletics.org/antidoping
It looks like to me that the powers to be DO believe that choosing not to "chase" them is a "defacto argument for endorsing cheating."
If not...why would they bother? |
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TrackDaddy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| Daisy wrote: | | TrackDaddy wrote: | | So, its okay to cheat them out of what they worked for? |
Don't you understand? There are not unlimited resources for drug testing. Which world do you live in that we should be wasting resources in chasing down masters athletes for cheating? To choose not to chase them is not a defacto argument for endorsing cheating. Your logic is warped.
| TrackDaddy wrote: | | But then I'm just trying to start a fight. |
That's what you do best.
With apologies to Tigger |
Clearly you're the one starting a fight with me (and Speedfirst) in this thread.
See....Its your M.O. to enter threads and attack "certain" people often times without really commenting directly on the thread topic itself.
That's what you do best (with no apologies to anyone).
This thread is another in a line of existing examples.
Nevermind that my position is supported by the WMA sanctioned body whose desire is to rid Masters events of doping, you're attacking me while protecting people who're supporting doping in sports. |
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Marlow
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| TrackDaddy wrote: | | But Marlow has acknowledged that prize money is involved which if nothing else "legitimizes" those events. |
With or without quote marks around "legitimizes", Masters Track (and I most abjectly and sincerely apologize to TrackCEO!) is a joke. And I mean that in the most comedic way. I have been a 'masters athlete' for 18 years. I have won a National Championship multis title; I have set a 'WR'; I have placed in numerous National Championships in several different events, so I know. It's just a bunch of men and women who still get a kick out of competing in T&F events, but very, very, very (very) few of us take it seriously or think it's 'legitimate'. It's just fun. If one of my fellow competitors were PEDed up to his yellow eyeballs, it would not make ANY difference to me or MOST of my fellow geezers. We do it for ourselves, not to BEAT other people. When I win, I realize it's nothing more than a lark, and when I lose, it just ain't no big thang (and, in 'real life', I'm a VERY competive guy!).
Masters athletes can do whatever they wish; it really isn't an important issue, and to waste money testing, is silly, silly, silly (and I'm DEATHLY afraid of PEDs and wouldn't touch them. My body is whacking out fast enough all by itself; it doesn't need a boost in the wrong direction). |
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TrackDaddy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:36 am Post subject: |
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So, have you ever been tested?
And let me ask...how do you think those Masters Road Runners (were prize money is involved) who lost would feel if they knew the person who won was on dope? |
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Daisy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| TrackDaddy wrote: | | Nevermind that my position is supported by the WMA sanctioned body whose desire is to rid Masters events of doping, you're attacking me while protecting people who're supporting doping in sports. |
Your strawmen get tiring. You're really not trolling? |
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TrackDaddy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| Daisy wrote: | | TrackDaddy wrote: | | Nevermind that my position is supported by the WMA sanctioned body whose desire is to rid Masters events of doping, you're attacking me while protecting people who're supporting doping in sports. |
Your strawmen get tiring. You're really not trolling? |
I have no idea what you're talking about. We were having a serious discussion about the merits of testing Masters athletes until you entered the thread and attacked me while practically ignoring the thread topic.
As you're prone to do.
And in the process ruin yet another thread , as you and your personal attacks are also prone to do. |
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Pego
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| TrackDaddy wrote: | | What you're essentially saying is that you support doping in sports. |
This is not the first time you accused me of something without a shred of evidence and I am not smiling. I said, I find the dope testing in Masters absurd. That has nothing to do with real sport as Marlow told you and he, an accomplished Masters competitor should know.
My comparison was a kid suspended for kissing a classmate on the cheek. Am I also supporting child molesting. Your reasoning would be identical. |
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